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  All you guys

  by claudia in

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  you know i have been registered here since the birth of this list.i was only a lurker from time to time, now after a recent love affair break up i have been active here.

  i must say this is the most wonderful group of people i have ever seen on a db.

  all respectful, and whats suprising is loving.

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  thinkers wife

  Claudia,
  Thanks for bring this to the attention of all. I think all of us are forever indebted to Simon, for providing this peaceful and wonderful place of healing.
  It has been of immeasurable value to both Thinker and I.
  And as for the love? I have found more love here in a few short months than I found in thirty eight years with the Watchtower.
  My hat is off to you Simon!!!
  TW
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  Russells Bible Students..Still Kicking

  by LeeHiker in

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  i was looking around the net for some.

  online version of russells (finished mystery)in.

  paticular,the train,head of steam and all that,.

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  thinkers wife

  RR,
  I must comment. I do not agree with everything you believe, but I do respect your position. I think it is commendable that you took the time to explain. I was quite aware of the expense involved in producing the aforementioned items.
  One thing in your post did catch my eye. I always disagreed with the Society on the second chance thing. Always appeared to me as you stated, people never had a first chance.
  Thanks for being civil in your explanation.
  TW
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  "The Note"

  by AuSet in

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  at the 1994 district convention in bismark, north dakota, (could possibly have been 93) my sister wrote a note to her friend and tossed it in the garbage.

  the note contained a discussion about going to boy's hotel rooms after the sessions ended, and other troublesome activities, including lying to the parents about what my sister and her friend were doing.. presumably, an attendant found this note in the garbage and turned it into the elders.

  on the last talk of the last day of the convention, the note was read out loud to the entire audience, along with the warning that "whoever you are, we will find you.

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  thinkers wife

  AuSet,
  Just one more shocking thing. Unbelievable. I do have to agree though that this is probably not a regular practice. Maybe someone was watching that knew your sister and got the note out.
  Regardless, how humiliating for her.
  TW
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  Watchtower and sex

  by claudia in

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  ok maybe this is a dumb question, but i really am curious.

  why does it seem that fornication is the only "real" sin in the jw religion?

  i mean people can slander, be gluttonous, get drunk and have unethical business practices, but god forbid you should have a little sex.

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  thinkers wife

  Claudia,
  Good question. In my experience slander was a biggie, and nothing was ever done about it.
  I guess because it usually involved the elder's wives. I always thought it was interesting that they (elder's wives and children) knew the details of comittee cases and talked about it in the car groups and nothing was ever done. There was lying involved in those conversations too, because they always added untrue details!
  TW
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  So What Tipped You Out, Then?

  by Englishman in

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  can you remember that distinct moment in your life when you suddenly knew that your time as a jw was truly over?.

  for me, that moment came several years after the removal of my privileges in the congregation when i admitted to having known my then fiance in a way that was not fitting for a ministerial servant.. i was quickly stripped of my 2 servants jobs, group study conducting, pioneer status, public talk giving and praying in the kh.

  i was also forbidden to ever be alone with the lady concerned.. about 15 months later i was assigned a public talk, after 30 minutes i dried up.

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  thinkers wife

  Excellent question Englishman,
  It was a very long process for me. But if I had to put a finger on what finally made me realise it couldn't be the truth. I would have to say the lack of love. For so many years my ex-husband and I were mistreated by the elders and the individuals. All the while, my ex was abusing me too. I kept trying to hang in there and do the best I could. Pioneered for a long time. I just was never good enough. There were a lot of back-biting sisters, and their husbands never did anything about it, even though they had to be aware of the situation.
  I am not talking about small things. I am talking about the PO's wife (a pioneer) coming in to the meeting for F.S. and saying hello by name to each and every one in the room by name and ignoring me. Ignoring me in the car group. (she wasn't the only one) Then when the abusive ex finally left me, they kicked me out from living behind the KH. And pinned the blame on me for his leaving. This had gone on and on for seventeen years.
  I too had panic attacks in the KH. When you sit in a chair for two hours with tears running down your face, and no one notices after knowing you for years and years, you begin to wonder "what is wrong with this picture".
  I moved, to a much more loving congregation and to give credit where credit is due they were very kind to me. But it was too little too late. The words sounded hollow. I began to notice that it was nothing but boring repitition with no real proof.
  I didn't really start to find out the doctrinal discrepencies until I was out. Simon the scientific differences were pointed out to me by Thinker. I was simply astounded.
  After getting on this board I was amazed by the vast changes in doctrine in their own archives. It still amazes me. I read parts of Crises of Conscience too. What struck me was Ray Franz's kindness despite the unfair and devastating behavoir of society. I was so impressed by his concern and loving attitude after what was done to him. And I remember all the bashing he took. Heard it through the grapevine.
  Anyway. I decided I was tired of carrying around a name that I could not and didn't want to live up to. So da'ed myself in June of 2000. The amazing thing was after being in since birth, all I felt was a sense of relief and freedom. It was like a huge weight being lifted off of me.
  Now I am so happy that sometimes it scares me.
  TW

  Edited by - thinkers wife on 5 March 2001 6:29:56
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  "Use of the Internet-Be Alert to the Dange...

  by zev in

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  2. friends

  it never ceases to amaze me that in my 30+ years of sitting in those cheep plastic chairs, how much i missed, took for granted or just plain didn't care.

  i took advantage of my time this morning to look over a couple aticles published by the borg, that relate to sites like this and countless others.

  {this one being the best of course, imho} .

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  Welcome Doubting,
  What a well written article. Although, if one's in congregation know you have written it be prepared for some problems. IMO, it was very fair and unbiased, but they might not see it that way.
  You have come to the right place here to air your doubts and find support. Looking forward to hearing more from you!
  TW
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  Leaving without losing

  by somebody in

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  good afternoon all,.

  after reading so many stories about people separating from their husbands/wives once the one of them stops attending meetings, i was wondering how someone could tell their spouse when they first starting learning the truth about the truth.

  i know there are couples who got out together on this board.

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  thinkers wife

  Excellent question Somebody,
  I didn't have that problem since he left me before I left! One good thing.
  I think everyone so far, has the right idea. Enjoyable getting others input.
  BTW, Welshman, I echo Philo's thoughts! She cracks me up, but it would be scary to have her as a mother-in-law, or in the family at all for that matter.
  TW
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  "Use of the Internet-Be Alert to the Dange...

  by zev in

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  it never ceases to amaze me that in my 30+ years of sitting in those cheep plastic chairs, how much i missed, took for granted or just plain didn't care.

  i took advantage of my time this morning to look over a couple aticles published by the borg, that relate to sites like this and countless others.

  {this one being the best of course, imho} .

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  thinkers wife

  Thanks for posting that Zev,
  I was wondering where my parents were coming from with some of the things they have said about the internet. This clears it up.
  I found this particular part to be ludicrous

  When we go to the Kingdom Hall, there is no question that we are with our brothers. We know them. No one requires authentication of this because the brotherly love manifested makes it obvious. We are not personally required to provide credentials to prove that we truly are one of Jehovah’s Witnesses. It is here that we find the true interchange of encouragement that Paul spoke about at Hebrews 10:24, 25. Web sites that encourage on-line association cannot be depended on to provide this. Having in mind the words of Psalm 26:4, 5 can alert us to dangers that could easily be encountered when using Web sites on the Internet.

  
  I certainly find a truck load more of encouragement here than I ever found at a KH.
  TW
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  Tales from the Couch

  by Seven in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  i asked my therapist if it is possible for a patient to be re-traumatized during the course of treatment.

  confronting memories over and over again.

  painting mental images even more graphic to replace the vague ones i once had-is this a good thing?

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  thinkers wife

  Absolutely Seven,
  My email is open if you ever want to talk privately. Feel free to email me. I would love it!! Keep your chin up.
  Hugs,
  TW
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  Gossip Wars!

  by ISP in

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  .. edited by - isp on 4 march 2001 3:18:52

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  thinkers wife

  Golly ned!!! Can we stop fighting already? Didn't we have enough of that in the WT. Come on guys play nice.
  TW